I have a family history of heart disease and a coronary calcium scan show some build up on the left side. Once again, if plasma levels of factors VII and VIII are reduced, clotting is less likely to occur. With this being said, the best time to take nattokinase is on an empty stomach, and preferably with at least 8 ounces of water .. An encapsulated supplement can take anywhere from 15-45 minutes to make its way through the stomach, depending on the individual person. I agree though that LK is the winner of them all, if I had to limit to one. The side effects from BP meds have horrific. GL to you and blah blah, this is not medical advice. (I think it was a result of fosamax). I noticed that the multi/v Im taking has high E in it. I bet he says NO. Agree? Copyright 2023 Dr. John Day, LLC. It is often discussed that the best time to take Nattokinase is after dinner or before sleep. Stent in LAD. I prefer taking Bergamot extract to a statin. Sterilize inner bowls by adding small Park S, Kim CJ, Ha KC, et al. Started 100mg NK. Hypertens.Res 2008;31(8):1583-1588. BTW: If choosing only between horse chestnut and nattokinase, I would take the nattokinase buy the NK-SD form, it is far superior. This is why aspirin is largely ineffective against atrial fibrillation strokes. I am not familiar with this vitamin can you give us some more insight into this vitamin? Redfood's Nattokinase 2000 FU. I can only get frozen natto where I am located. If you are interested I could PM you his story. I will request another ultrasound this March at 1 year to see if it is still present. Add 0.12g Nattomoto Spores (or 1 Tbs of bought natto) to inoculant base and stir Why lisnopril? Levels of pyrroloquinoline quinone in various foods. As a 78 yr old vegan male who had a heart attack in 2015 and who since March this year has developed paroxysmal atrial fibrillation I heartily agree with your view that natto is far superior to nattokinase. Whether you get nattokinase from eating natto or from taking a supplement, nattokinase thins your blood many different ways. If you live in America, studies show that you have a 90% chance of getting high blood pressure by age 55. It works by killing bacteria or preventing their growth. In choosing between eating natto or taking a nattokinase supplement, I have always gone with natto. When Is The Best Time To Take Nattokinase. Had atrial tachycardia for about 17 years treated successfully with flecinide. I just worry about it accentuating the effects/power of the nattokinase or lumbrokinase This website does not create a doctor-patient relationship between you and Dr. John Day. Can you take Nattokinase and Horse Chestnut extract together. Good Health Naturally 2000 FU Delayed Release. And when it comes to vitamin K2, no other food on this planet comes anywhere close to natto. Ive stopped all except Brilinta and aspirin. High blood pressure is a major medical problem as it leads to heart attacks, strokes, kidney failure, blindness, and dementia. Take Omnicef for the full prescribed length of time. If this was me (not medical advice), Ivermectin, lumbrokinase, serrapeptase, CDS, EPA fish oil, quercetin or rutin, l-citrulline, magnesium glycinate possibly internal DMSO but consulting a doctor for this serious situation is a must. It is recommended that you take nattokinase after a meal, because within one hour after taking nattokinase, the effects contained in it can exert a thrombolytic effect. I would assume you are on blood thinners so nattokinase may not be a great fit or serrapeptase if NOT on blood thinners, they IMO, would be helpful. Then it started going very low, and I was having the same problem again. Trying to figure out how much nattikonase to take and if U should switch to lumbrokinase. The articles below may make you feel better, they did me. Japanese restaurants do have the aquired taste Natto but call to make sure. The rest of my blood tests are ok, and I actually git a CT scan after the 1st vaccine and all was fine. At my age I am NOT a good surgical risk. Data recorded in real life support the safety of nattokinase in patients with vascular diseases. It did lower my numbers but not to within the normal range. Thank you. Suzuki Y, Kondo K, Matsumoto Y, et al. I have all 3 and been taking nattokinase religiously the past few weeks and I am doing blood work tomorrow. I think 30 minutes min before or after. JMHO. I want to to Nattokinase on a long term basis for all of its benefits but mainly because of its ability to attack the spike protein in acute covid. But that was then and back then I knew NOTHING of serrapeptase nor nattokinase. My philosophy on supplements is that a supplement should be a supplement. Thanks for your comments JJ. Daily nattokinase supplementation was remarkably better at reducing plaque size (36.6% plaque reduction) that causes hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis) compared to statin treatment (11.5% plaque reduction) in 82 patients. Hi, Kat, I think the only thing in your heal n soothe that thins blood is ginger. OTHER NAME(S): BSP, Extrait de Natto, Fermented Soybeans, Haricot, Nattokinase is a natural part of a Japanese soy food called natto. Natto is so much better for you than taking a nattokinase supplement. Interesting!! I sometimes take 40,000 Serrapeptase, sometimes 80,000, usually only 40,000. If he (and you) are vaxxed the clotting risk rises significantly, from all that I have read so taking either the nattokinase or a prescription blood thinner might be even more important is it possible the stroke was a vaxx side effect? There's some early evidence that nattokinase may have benefits for heart and artery health. Natto is a fermented, cheese-like food that has been used in Japan for over 1,000 years for its popular taste and as a folk remedy for heart and vascular diseases. I have not taken either natto or nattokinase, as the above mix worked so well for me. Letting food be your medicine always seems to work better than tablets or capsules. Most good multis require 2-3 pills daily, taken at different times (meals?). Thrombolytic effect of nattokinase on a chemically induced thrombosis model in a rat. While nattokinase will never prevent every case of heart disease, some interesting research in rabbits shows that nattokinase can help to repair damaged arteries. Ill keep eating it. I did notice in the thread that said not to take Nattokinase with a calcium supplement. I am currently taking Lumbrokinase (20mg) first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach. Nattokinase is known to dissolve clots in cell culture. I think that taking both together will be expensive and redundant. I now buy my natto from a local Asian grocery store. Nattokinase is a food enzyme found in natto. I mean indeed natto kinaso supplements and not natto. I had to ask for a lower dose from dr and am determined to get off them completely. When soybeans go through fermentation, the bacteria used activates nattokinase and gives the food its cheese-like flavor and a range of scientifically-backed health benefits. GL to you both! Long post. The Simvastatin should not have had a major effect either way on your BP it is a cholesterol med a Statin, not a BP med. I repeat the procedure every 12 hours thereafter. I don't know if taking both in the same day is over kill or not, but they both seem to have very good benefits and can work on different things. I have taken for a month+ and it has helped a lot, and no side effects.

Maruyama M, Sumi H (eds): Effect of natto diet on blood pressure, in Basic and Clinical Aspects of Japanese Traditional Food Natto II. Where is it located? Thank you so much for bringing this up! My calcium score is 0 but I'm worried about soft plaque and clots. I have been taking Nato Kinase for 2 years now, I have been taking 2000 FU + K2 MK-7with Natokinase 100mcg and I just started to take Heal -n- SOOTHE byLiving well can you look at this product online and the ingrediants it's a systemic enzyme blend but I am worried about the product I take the Nato at bedtime and the heal and soothe 2 in the am and one more in the afternoon. Have you noticed any difference in decreased hematocrit since taking the lumbrokinase/serrapeptase. Japan Technology Transfer Association (JTTAS), 1998, pp 13.

. How about topical DMSO (and magnesium oil) on the bad leg? Apart from those obvious drawbacks, soybean natto has an omega-3 to omega-6 ratio of more than 7, making it inflammatory. Its nice getting this information about it, and nice hearing that it might prevent blood clots on long flights (Im considering a trip to France in the fall). No problem being room temp for a few days. Nattokinase ("Natto") is an enzyme (protein) found in natto and fermented soybeans. Yes, I was referring to the lumbrokinase and nattokinase together. By the end of the eight weeks, nattokinase lowered thesystolic blood pressure by four points and the diastolic blood pressure by three points. What they found is that it took mega doses of nattokinase (500 mg of nattokinase for every kilogram of body weight) to have the same effect as 30 mg of aspirin. Ensure maker is switched on. Nattokinase may also help lower your blood pressure. I am unvaxed. How It Works To sort this out, they gave various doses and measured the effect in rabbits. Do you have a CURRENT DVT?? think it would interact/reduce effectiveness of nattokinase? I found that is MIGHT be problematic. Interestingly, some studies show that it is only fermented soy that offers any of these benefits. View abstract. Hope that helps and makes sense. 1. 5 Soya Beans Organic 8g $0.04 If not, they can order some for you. Natto, in turn, is made from fermenting soybeans with the helpful bacteria called Bacillus natto. When I wake: 250,000 IU serrapeptase and 2000 FU nattokinase. 1 in a.m & 2 bedtime. Ramachandran L, Aqeel A, Jafri A, Sidhu Y, Mohamed Djirdeh T. Nattokinase-associated hemoperitoneum in an elderly woman. Seek emergency medical attention or call the Poison Help line at 1-800-222-1222. For oral dosage forms (capsules or suspension): For infections: Adults and children 15 years of age and older1000 to 4000 milligrams (mg) per day, taken in divided doses. Got tachy cardia from htz because cant keep hydrated because any liquid I drink is quickly removed. View abstract. View abstract. My Blood workup has been very good. I am grateful that you have responded to my question that was asked on October 21. Blood clots and bleeding may cause serious disability or even death. For decades researchers have tried to figure out why the Japanese rarely get heart disease and why they live so long. View abstract. Nattokinase is an enzyme extracted from traditional Japanese fermented soybeans and has been shown to an effective enzyme in improving various hypercoagulation-associated parameters; it looks very promising as an oral enzyme in the treatment and prevention of cardiovascular diseases. All View abstract. 1 Lentils Black Beluga Organic 212g $1.48 I could not tolerate Eliquis with many side effects. Platelets can clump together in your blood which can be the start of a blood clot. Of milk at bedtime. It doesnt taste good but knowing how good it is for me makes it tolerable. In other words, the helpful bacteria from this probiotic make it slimy and sticky. I also take Qucertin, ubiniquol and digestive enzymes and the usual multi cal/mag D, B complex. Both are said to help to thin blood. amount of boiling water to each bowl. My blood pressure is also high. The acid stuff was interesting thx! Thank you so much. Place inner yogurt bowls containing inoculated ingredients in yogurt maker and View abstract. All rights reserved. I take one 150 mg a day with absolutely no side effects. Start with 1 capsule of Serrapeptase twice a day, well away from meals. Was given Brilinta with aspirin, entresto (switched to Losartin, farxiga, statin. I would HOPE that was due to them confirming his blood clot was completely gone? I know it is boring, but remember, I am not a Doc and do not offer medical advice but if it were me, I'd congratulate myself on that zero Calcium CT score!! 7 Molasses 10.00g $0.05, Consumable Quantity and Batch Cost 700g $3.22, Daily Consumption Rate and Cost 100g $0.46, Preparation Had the stroke in April 2022 and it basically effected coordination on my right side. Not much for specialists and doctors in our isolated area so I'm looking for info on helping him naturally. Even though it smells like a dead rat what bothers me the most is how slimy and sticky it is. Got Covid on 11/2/21 had second heart attack on 11/17/21. I just turned 80 and the low BP and blood work always draws comments. Vitamin K2 has an anti-bleeding effect. I do not recommend MMS at all. I was recently diagnosed with Afib and have had one additional episode over a 5 month period of time. Also, if you have a history of bleeding, or currently take a blood thinner, dont even think about taking nattokinase from any source without speaking to your doctor first. See an acupuncturist, DC, and reflexologist routinely. I take serrapeptase too, for inflammation control and to keep my pipes clear it eats arterial plaque. But, I need something else to manage my pressure. Hi there, For now, I would get on low-dose Lisinopril or Hytrin if the first one gives you problems, switch, but under the supervision of your cardiologist beginning on low dose should not give you the bad side effects or too low BP meanwhile, the Nattokinase/Serrapeptase can be working on cleaning your "pipes". You should always speak with your doctor or health care professional before you start, stop, or change any prescribed part of your health care plan or treatment and to determine what course of therapy is right for you. I prefer Lumbrokinase and serrapeptase, but if you prefer nattokinase OK. As with high blood pressure, most Americans also have high cholesterol. I recommend extra magnesium and boron. nattokinase. There are few published studies specifically on the potential adverse reactions to serrapeptase. Even though my cholesterol is under 200, my LDL-p is over 1500 which is very high. Dr. John Day is not responsible for any losses, damages or claims that may result from your medical decisions. Because nattokinase can dissolve blood clots, people taking blood thinner medication may be at a higher risk of bleeding.. You may not like to eat Natto foods before sleep but it is easy to do so with supplements. Since her stroke, she now reluctantly takes a proven atrial fibrillation blood thinner. https://media.blubrry.com/drjohnday/drjohnday.com/podcasts/Podcast262.mp3, http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1136652. Atrial fibrillation is the most common heart rhythm abnormality. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or intending to become pregnant before taking cefdinir. I've been taking natto miso for years with supplements after the 1st meal. That way, covering all bases as they are all just a bit different and may have different helpful mechanisms. 2. I am hoping I now have pretty good immunity but if we have another of these pandemics not sure what I'll follow as a protocol. I have high BP and noticed to recommend lisinopril. Fujita M, Hong K, Ito Y, et al. Natto is produced by a fermentation process by adding . Okay good points, thanks. It belongs to the class of medicines known as cephalosporin antibiotics. Is it ok to take Nattokinase as we as olive leaf extract? High natto consumption has been linked to the Japanese populations longer average lifespans and lower chronic disease rates. I take two capsule per day - one in the morning and one in the evening (4000 FU's), which helps my circulation and regulates my blood pressure. I'm very positive about this knock on wood! Stopped those about 11 months later. All the best! All my clotting factors and everything else related to clotting and inflammation came back completely normal. Suzuki Y, Kondo K, Ichise, H, et al. Natto, or fermented soybeans, is their equivalent for cereal in the morning. Thanks for telling us about it. WOWLOVING THIS THREAD! But that doesn't normalize my BP. Serrapeptase does thin blood, but much less than nattokinase. Infants and children 6 months up to 12 years of ageDose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. I smiled when I read your comments about the taste and smell of natto made from soybeans. Glenn, I don't have a naturopath I do my own research. Add drained soybeans, beluga, barley and diced sweet potatoes to inner bowl, 5. That is indicated in the C-RP blood test. Children 1 year of age and olderDose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. I have read where Natto also contains vitamin PQQ. That mix of ingredients has an O-3 to O-6 ratio of 1.0 to 0.9. Daily nattokinase supplementation was remarkably better at reducing plaque size (36.6% plaque reduction) that causes hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis) compared to statin treatment (11.5% plaque reduction) in 82 patients. gloves) slowly swirl boiling water across all inner bowl surfaces. You can also buy homemade natto kits or take nattokinase as a supplement.. k1 is the clotting factor by increasing fibrin. Some acid-resistant / delayed release brands are listed below: Doctor's Best Natto-Serra (2000 FU/40,000 SPU) Solaray's Nattokinase 1250 FU. Indeed, of the studies I reviewed in writing this article, I could find no significant bleeding risk from natto or nattokinase. You can read more about it here: I take them at different times some don't bother. To visualize what natto is doing for you just think of natto as nattokinase plus vitamin K2 in a probiotic form. A single-dose of oral nattokinase potentiates thrombolysis and anti-coagulation profiles. If you are a worm, nattokinase will help you live an extra six days. 3. It does cause great anxiety and eventually, it does resolve itself. Although natto can be made with black beans, adzuki beans, kidney beans and even sunflower seeds, the bacteria used to make it thrives best on soybeans, which help produce nattokinase more efficiently.It is important to note that nattokinase is not found in other non-fermented soy foods, which makes the distinction between natto and unfermented, genetically modified soy very clear. I've also had one heart attack resulting in a stent. Nattokinase could theoretically dislodge a clot quickly, which can cause complications.. I wish I could be of help to you you have a lot going on, and my level of expertise is simply not adequate to advise you you need a great cardiologist and a great naturopathic MD (NMD), probably also consult with a vascular surgeon and lipid specialist. Dietary supplementation of fermented soybean, natto, suppresses intimal thickening and modulates the lysis of mural thrombi after endothelial injury in rat femoral artery. I also take 4 g fish oil, 2400 mg garlic extract, 200 IU Vitamin E, 240 mg ginkgo biloba per day away from nattokinase . Thanks. Natto is made from boiled soybeans that have been fermented with a type of bacteria. . Chronic sinusitis is ongoing inflammation in your sinuses that could be caused by allergies, bacteria, fungal infections, or asthma.

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