Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). Job done. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. Beattie acknowledges how Ulsters separate unionist parties weaken the Union. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). 19th September, 2019. . Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. Likes Received: 1,930. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Swiss rail. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. But do we really want to go back to that? Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. The name is still awful though and far too long. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. 3 Apr 2022 . Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. JavaScript is disabled. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. It really does look dire. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. [citation needed]. It may not display this or other websites correctly. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. What is of 2020s Britain then? The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. Old does not necessarily = bad. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . There have also been subtle font changes. JavaScript is disabled. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. JavaScript is disabled. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. They are an intercity operator. Why? With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. The Overground operates under its own livery. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. "Great" means "large", not "very good". What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? And Great Britain is more often than not used to mean the whole of England/Scotland/Wales, excluding Northern Ireland - a legacy of the Kingdom of Great Britain, which existed from 1707 to 1800. It's the name of the island ffs. Bare minimum, low effort. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. Heh. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. It's the name of the island ffs. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . Press J to jump to the feed. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. Not so much the modern LNER though. For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. Bare minimum. I really quite like that now. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Thanks. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. A railway works best as a single unit. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. It's good work (and the previous set). Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. Home Forums Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Brunswick Green. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. You are using an out of date browser. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. I'm unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, I'd expect 'GBR' to feature. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. Feb 1, 2020. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. Why not capitalize on it? You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. The Union Jack will represent. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. 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